The Studio CEO: Business Coaching For Yoga & Pilates Teachers & Studio Owners
Welcome to The Studio CEO, the only podcast that empowers yoga and Pilates teachers and studio owners to step confidently into their roles as CEOs. If you're ready to take your business seriously, show up with passion, and scale your studio to new heights without burning out, you're in the right place.
I’m your host, Jackie Murphy, an award-winning, certified business coach with 12+ years in the yoga industry I’ve seen firsthand what it takes to turn your passion into a powerful, scalable business.
Join me as we dive into strategies, insights, and real-world advice to help you grow your revenue, build a thriving team, and create a business that serves you as much as you serve your clients. It's time to embrace your CEO mindset and make more money without working more.
The Studio CEO: Business Coaching For Yoga & Pilates Teachers & Studio Owners
From Passion to Profession: Tabby Johnston’s Journey to Building a Successful Yoga Business
Tabby Johnston's inspiring journey highlights her transformation from a struggling yoga teacher earning minimal income to a confident yoga business owner successfully launching a teacher training program. Through embracing self-care and focusing on meaningful connections with students, she has created a thriving enterprise that empowers both herself and those she teaches.
• Transitioning from corporate to yoga teaching
• Embracing online learning to enhance teaching
• Building confidence to leap into entrepreneurship
• Launching day retreats and customizable offerings
• Designing a teacher training program based on tradition and science
• Importance of self-care for yoga teachers
• Creating meaningful connections with students
• Celebrating financial success while improving family life
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If there was a way that you could go from making 23 pounds per class teaching yoga to launching a 200-hour teacher training and selling a four-figure investment, you would want to know about that right In this episode. Join me as I interview my client, tabby Johnston, who has done exactly that within her first year of being inside the Business of Yoga program. Tune in to this episode to learn how she did it. Welcome to the Studio CEO, the only podcast that empowers yoga and Pilates teachers and studio owners to step confidently into their role as CEO. If you are ready to show up with passion, take your business seriously and scale to new heights without burning out, you are in the right place.
Speaker 1:I'm your host, jackie Murphy, an award-winning certified business coach with over 12 years of experience inside the yoga industry. I have seen firsthand what it takes to build a profitable and scalable business. Join me as we dive into strategies, insights and real world advice that will help you grow your revenue, build a thriving team and create a business that serves you as much as you serve your students. It's time to embrace your inner CEO and make more money without working more. This is just the beginning. All right, my friends, welcome back to the Studio CEO podcast. I have a lovely guest for you today. One of my clients is on. Tabby Johnston is here to share her story and her success inside of the Business of Yoga program. So welcome, tabby, I'm so happy to have you.
Speaker 2:Thanks, jackie, I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we are just going to dive right on in and start with how you found yoga and the beginning of it all.
Speaker 2:Okay, so it feels like a long time ago now. So I found yoga the best part of a decade ago, probably just over 10 years ago. I was to sum it up I was miserable. That's probably how I found yoga. Um, I had um and I could text from a like a young age um, and I wouldn't say I found it as quickly as I wish I had. I've heard some of you in the group and I think you mentioned that you found that like earlier on than I did um and I went as like a.
Speaker 2:It was the last resort because I thought yoga, honestly, was like just for people who wanted to sit still and already were quite like peaceful people. Yeah, I thought it was a very slow thing. I thought of it as something my granny did, um and it, yeah, and and that it wasn't fast enough. Um, for me. I guess it didn't feel. It felt like a scary too, still, no, like a scary thing, and so I found it because I had tried so many other things that didn't help. Um, I was in a corporate setting, in an office all the time, probably not my best environment for me, not a natural environment for me. Um, and yoga made me. I went in with my shoulders high and came out like I was walking on a cloud, um, and and that was that it very quickly became wow, this, okay, this is this is what I do, this is what I do. And then, yeah, not like very quickly became right, cool, so I'm, I'm gonna go do my teacher training. Like that became like the obvious thing I was working towards.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how was it obvious? Where did you just know like this is meant for me?
Speaker 2:yeah, for sure, like um it would. Just, it felt like um the path I had been looking for, I think um so like I've I've been into, I've always been interested in self-development, like even when I was in whatever job I've been in, I've always been doing like distance learning in some way. So I've done like um like a year one of a um environmental science degree, or I've done um an art diploma, which is like the equivalent of two years, the last two years of your high school, I guess, before you go to college, um, but in like six months, because why not? You know, I've all and I'd always needed to do something to help me like understand the world in a way, or like understand that creative thing that needed an outlet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then yoga came and I was like, oh, finally, like this feels like what I want my life to be. Hallelujah was kind of that moment, yeah. So it just felt very, very obvious. I had this question recently, from someone else actually, and I thought, well, think about what we want the future to be and now decide like what are the steps I need to take to get there? And yeah, to me that was everything I do is this.
Speaker 1:That's so beautiful. I had the same sort of knowing. It just connected for me and I knew like this is what I meant to do in the world, and just coming back to that right now is a good reminder. I think we can forget or start to doubt that knowing and hearing you kind of reflect back the same feeling that I had. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm exactly meant to be doing what I'm doing right now. We are lucky, we're grateful to have experienced that, did you? There are people out there who don't right. There's people out there who experienced doubt or they're not sure they want to do a training. They, they love yoga. I don't know if those people are listening to this podcast, but did you experience?
Speaker 2:any sort of doubt signing up for teacher training, or was it like I'm taking full investment? Let's go, actually having now sold teacher training? Um, and I've experienced the doubt in others I've gone. Oh, was that like a really arrogant, like just confidence streak where I went? No, like I'm obviously doing this. How do I do this was my only question, um, and so yeah, that that felt that felt huge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the commitment, the knowing came first, and then you marched forward with teacher training. So did you do your 200 hour training at the studio, that you started practicing that, or what was that journey Like? Did you find it?
Speaker 2:No, so, no, so all of my, my, my practicing was all through this, um, to begin with, this subsidized class at the, the work I work. I was at like the, this, this large corporate company that I won't allude to um and um, and then I I couldn't find a class. So I I was like I'm sure this isn't it and I went on YouTube. I found yoga with Adrian, um, as I think most of us probably have at some stage or another. Um, and I was like, oh, okay, what I was doing is not the only type of yoga like that kind of expanded, and I more became like a, um, I'm gonna do this class here and this class here, rather than like this studio.
Speaker 2:I didn't grow up in like a, it was like a, maybe in a small to average size town, um, but like there wasn't, there wasn't a lot of choice for yoga where I lived, um, so my practice became mostly online, because then I could learn and choose the teacher. That was right for me at that time. Um, that that's. I feel like that. That was really what worked for me.
Speaker 2:Um, but so when choosing a teacher training and I wanted to do that in person, um, at the time, I think mostly because I didn't realize online was a thing I'm. I'm very much a find the right person and I don't mind what format is in kind of a person, um. So yeah, the the teacher training that I chose was literally like these dates work for me. It means I can be a yoga teacher, I can take time off work at this time and if I could do it, I mean I'm very pleased that I got through it, but I didn't enjoy almost a single part of it. I enjoyed the knowledge I got and I I hated the whole program, which is what led me to to like like I knew.
Speaker 2:Then I was like what led me to to like like I knew? Then I was like I'm going to do a teacher training and it is not going to be, this. So yeah, so that I think that was probably part of, yeah, my my kind of kind of gone full circle in that respect that I now do it because I know what I, what it should be, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to. We're going to come back to that Cause I have so many questions about that, but I want to highlight, because there's many people listening to this podcast who do have online businesses, and to hear you, as a student, say my practice was online and that's what worked for me. I want to pick your brain on their sake, on their behalf, of, like, what made you consistently take online classes? How did you make that work? Because so many people will take a class and then never pop back in.
Speaker 2:So honestly, I hate routine so badly, I can't like, I loathe it, I don't understand and this is maybe where I struggle. When I'm trying to, I've been trying to find the right person, right, who am I trying to help? Who can I help? Because I think I was trying to help someone who had routine and I was like, but I hate it and I don't understand it, um, so, no.
Speaker 2:So for me, the person I'm learning from and I mean the person like, not necessarily the yoga the person I'm learning from is super important to me. I want to feel like I connect with them some way or I respect them in some way, and then what they're giving me, like what I'm getting from practicing from them. So like, for example, now the yoga that I choose to do online because it's still how I roll is if I can learn from someone creative, um and unique, or someone who is breaking something down and um, explaining how they've, how they've made like an advanced pose, for example, if you like it, and that can be from like a meditation perspective or like a, an asana perspective, but so like, I still, I, still, I still shop like that, if that makes sense, I'm looking for what I am I getting what I want? And is it someone I connect with, which is strange, because it's how you teach us to to be now and I'm like oh yeah, that is how I buy, yeah, um, so yeah.
Speaker 1:I was just gonna say that because this podcast is gonna come out before I'm running a three-day training called Thrive in 2025. And part of that is like what type of marketing works in 2025. And what is so important and what I'll talk about in that training is the connection, and I love that you just touched on that because, especially now you can AI everything you're automated and someone online teaching yoga, you could literally never actually talk to that person or connect to that person or feel like you talk to them or connected to them, and so for anyone listening who does have that online business, make that connection piece part of your marketing and part of your sales strategy and part of your community. And then the other thing that I heard when you were talking, you were like I liked to get something from the class that I took, like whether it was asana, whether it was something else, and I think most teachers forget that it just takes a moment at the end of class to bring your students' minds back to what they just got, instead of just being like okay, thanks, thanks for coming, have a good day.
Speaker 1:I had a teacher one time. She brought us out of Shavasana, we were sitting in an easy seat and she said just notice, compare, notice how your body feels now compared to when you walked in, and it was the experience of oh I, I'm, I just got something from this hour that I will, I will always forget, and that's one way to do it, but that's kind of what it sounds like you're talking about, like you need something yeah, I really like the compare there as well.
Speaker 2:So I say at the end of some classes, depends um how long I've got, but on some of them, as part of the shavasana, at the end I will say, like, take your attention to, like, how you feel right now. And I just like to point out I don't teach trauma informed. This is like for the type of person that is a safe environment for them to talk about that, um, but so like I'm not suggesting that's appropriate for everyone, um, but I I say, take your attention to how you feel right now in the confidence that I have just made them feel amazing. And I want them to appreciate that and notice that, because in noticing that, I hope it's a lot easier for them to make that decision to like, invest in themselves and give themselves that time again in the future.
Speaker 1:So I love.
Speaker 2:I love the compare that part to how you felt earlier. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I also love what you just said of in the confidence like right, there is. You are rooted in your product knowledge, you have experienced it right, but you have this confidence of what you're delivering and that can be. If that is missing and you try and land these words or you try and show someone the experience of yoga, it's not going to actually connect with them. So that confidence piece is there and that's just from your own work. Okay, so let's go back to taking yoga 200 hour teacher training. You were certified but you didn't like your training, which we are still going to come back to. We're going to put a pin in that. Keep listening, you guys. I want to go to like from your teacher training Did you teach right away or did you? How did you take your training? What did?
Speaker 1:you do with your training after you were certified.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so my teacher training. I did start teaching straight away. When I was doing my teacher training I was like teaching my husband, who was not my husband at the time, to be fair, teaching my boyfriend, who had to do yoga so that I married him.
Speaker 2:And now does it reluctantly when I make him Amazing and who else? And my mum and my granny, and like my friends and I'd like say, right, okay, I'm gonna start running classes. Will everyone just come for free, please, so that I have taught in this room, got confident in this room, and then next week I will have people who I'm charging money for so that I can afford to hire the room. You know, um, but yeah, I would say I god, it's a long time ago, I think I taught one class a week to begin with, and then that became two classes a week. I built up gradually, um, over maybe six months, because so, when I did my teacher training, I was like, wow, anatomy and physiology, this is fascinating. And then I very quickly signed up for a degree in sport and exercise science as a result, because I wanted to know more about the anatomy and physiology. If my husband listens to this, there'll be a deep sigh at that point, so I'll do that for him. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, which, and which I don't regret. I loved it and it and I help it, help, it, helps me. Now I use it every day. Um, so it was, it was a, it was fun as well as a good investment. But I um I then. So I built it up over six months and then I sort of took, I quit my job, took a leap, went full-time as a student and and I used being a yoga teacher as something that I, like I knew. It came so naturally, it was something I loved that if I was tired because I'd been learning all day, I definitely still had that in me to do my job. Well, does that make sense? Because that was who I was. Um so, yeah, um. So I I taught sort of part-time ish, but I mean, you know, 10, 10 to 12 hours a week, I guess, so that I could pay my mortgage and stuff whilst I was at university.
Speaker 1:OK, I did not know about the sports degree, sports and psychology what did you call it?
Speaker 2:Sport and exercise science yeah, Exercise science.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you're using that enough in your marketing.
Speaker 2:No, I'm definitely not. I know, I'm not know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I've um it's actually occurred to me maybe in the last two weeks oh, hold on, do you know what?
Speaker 2:actually something that's really really good about doing a teaching training with me.
Speaker 1:Is that I?
Speaker 2:literally have a degree in in the anatomy, physiology and the biomechanics, um. I have done this at degree level and so what I'm I mean what I'm teaching in the teacher training is literally year one and two of a degree in anatomy and physiology, um. So yeah, I mean that I can't believe we have not talked about this.
Speaker 1:Yes, I mean on the podcast. That is such a leg up and it's it's so common we tend to discredit our experience or the things that we've done in the past and we just think about you know, what do I have right now in terms of teaching yoga, in terms of the thing that we're doing in the moment. But that is a leg up. We are going to pivot your marketing.
Speaker 2:Thank you, yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool, very cool, okay. So when did fast forward? I know you have, you're now married, you, you have two kids. When did you find me? When did you find the business of yoga program?
Speaker 2:talk to us, okay so, um, I definitely had a baby already when I found you, so it was within the last. How old is my? How old is sky? Four and a half years or so? Um, I think I'd finished my degree, um, and lockdown happened. Oh no, that's not true. Lockdown happened and then I finished my degree, but anyway, and it kind of went from I'd been in my house, not out, like with my baby. Honestly, I know lockdown was like an awful thing for a lot of people and it was a hard time, and it definitely was a hard time. But my like, my silver lining of that time was that I had got to spend a heck of a lot of time with my new baby and I loved it. It was. It was amazing that I didn't have to be anywhere on time. It's not something I excel at, naturally, so, like with a new baby, that was like ow, um, I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2:But although I was teaching online to like the private clients I already had, and I, um, I approached um a couple of gyms and I taught for, for, like their communities that were still with them, I was teaching a lot less than I had been, and then, when it came to so, with lockdowns and restrictions coming to an end. We moved county and so I continued to teach online with the people I had done. But I was like, okay, well, I need to kind of step into a new community here and approach new people who I haven't met before and refigure out how I need to do marketing again. And I was like, oh God, I cannot print out leaflets again and just put them through people's doors. I can't do this. And we had moved to quite like not that I didn't live in a nice area before, to be honest, but we'd moved to an area where I suddenly became really aware, or like it felt like everyone around us had a lot of money. And I'm not saying like I would say that we're we're pretty lucky as we are, but like we're as a couple, we've been very like, careful and constantly like is that in budget and what's our plans and are we saving enough and are we paying our mortgage off? And it's been like a tight chest kind of a situation.
Speaker 2:Um, and so it was like, oh god, and I so nearly just quit being a yoga teacher and went and decided to be a lawyer instead. Um, and I actually had an interview with a, with the partner in a law firm. I got to the final interview with a partner in a law firm. Like I mean, I really was very close and I didn't get the job. And I can't tell you how grateful I am that that didn't work out, because I kind of went well, look, I could do this, I know I can do that and I can do that. Quite like I I I didn't do a law degree and yet they're willing to. These people nearly employed me from my first like attempt at getting into it, which is like a decent law firm in the UK, which is I kind of was like, well, if I can, I should, because I was.
Speaker 2:I just felt lost, um, and then I didn't get that and suddenly I was like, oh well, why am I relieved? I just kind of felt like, because it had been a struggle for a long time, like as in, because we were having a baby. We were having babies and going to university at the same time as renovating a house and like I mean I take I know I take a lot on on purpose because I love it, I just enjoy, I like being busy, um, but I think it was like a step too far with the whole, I don't know how to do this with yoga and I don't think I've realized that I didn't know how to do it because I was good at teaching yoga and I love teaching yoga and I didn't realize that it could be more than that or that I could have more impact than I was having at that time, and I have no idea how I found your podcast.
Speaker 2:I feel like I typed yoga into Spotify. I just want a podcast that I can listen to. That is something that's interesting. Someone had told me to listen to podcasts that I can listen to. That is something that's interesting. Someone had told me to listen to podcasts and I had never found anything I wanted to listen to, and I think I think I typed yoga into Spotify. Yeah, that is right, and I found Yoga Boss as it was at the time. Yeah, and you, and just from listening to that, that made a huge difference, because at the time so I would be teaching.
Speaker 2:I was teaching in a studio classes like in a gym here I don't know if it's the same in America here you either teach your own classes, you work in a studio for someone else, or you work like freelance by putting classes on in a gym. So, yeah, that's how it works. Um, and every class I got to, I would arrive being like like oh my gosh, I can't breathe properly because I was nervous, because I was a bit anxious about teaching, because what if I didn't do a good job? And what if not everybody in the room enjoys their yoga class, and what if this isn't the right class for someone? And I think part part of that is because in a gym you just get dropped and you have no idea who's coming and a lot of people who have never done yoga before, because, yeah, it's the nature of the environment and I found that really stressful. And if I set up a new class, maybe two days before that class, I would feel physically sick because I'd be worried about how it would go.
Speaker 2:And I heard a podcast episode by you and I think that podcast was like these these were not your words, I'm gonna make them blunter in the nicest way possible. The yoga class you're going to teach is nothing, is not about you. Like, that class is about other people. But you cannot make everybody happy and it's not your responsibility to make everybody happy and I don't think I'm the only person in our generation who has massive, who has had sorry past tense, still getting used to that massive people pleasing tendencies. So, like the whole, you don't have to make everyone happy. That was a really big like I don't know. Something unlocked a door in my brain, locked a door in my brain, and I went oh, it's okay that I have like a, like a group I'm trying to help with, and that this one class doesn't have to work for every single person in this gym, because I just wanted people to love yoga so I was desperate for them all to love it, but that's not possible.
Speaker 2:I can't like one size won't fit all, because if.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to help everyone, I will just end up helping no one, which is what was happening. And so, yeah, that that one episode. I was like, oh my god, listen to this woman, um, and so, yeah, I just I went back to like the beginning and I listened. I, I've listened. I would say I've listened to a lot of them surely most of them by this point. Um, and I have some favorites that I've listened to more than once, and normally that's Heather, if I'm honest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's hilarious um and um, yeah. And then I was, so I knew from because you know, you, you tell us in every episode how you can help us to to go for it. Um, and there was one point when I was listening to it where I wasn't ready because I was pregnant again or um, yeah, etc. And, and not making enough money and not wanting to work more to be able to, kind of like, make the money to invest in myself because I was growing a baby or breastfeeding or whatever it was. Um, and then I got to a point where I was like, okay, cool, I'm ready, I've got a baby who's x old and I reckon I can deal with that on my hip at the same time as doing this. Um, and it so happened that that was, uh, exactly a year ago, um, and so.
Speaker 2:I, I came on to make more in 24 and oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and one year it was, it was brilliant, I loved it and so, and at the end of that it was just like a yeah, cool is the same as teacher training. I was like, well, this is obvious. I'm obviously going to join the the business of yoga, because I would be stupid not to. That is exactly what I want, and I trust that you can help me, because I've listened to your podcast for at least a year. By this point, I reckon yeah, and that was the next step.
Speaker 1:Oh, my gosh, sorry if that was very long, no, but you dropped so many nuggets in it and like talking about the people pleasing. You can't teach everybody like that. It's a good reminder in business too, not not just when it comes to teaching, but when it comes to making an offer or having clients and like if you really sit in your expertise and your niche and what you're meant to do, it's so much more fun to run your business and it's so much more fun to run your business and it's so much less stressful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I know you're still searching for the.
Speaker 1:You've got like two different things happening right now, so we'll talk about that in a second, but I love that little nugget you gave. And then I also love that you listen to yourself of when you are ready to invest and when you were ready, you took action, and I think there's so many people who've listened to this podcast for years, because it's five years old now and some people are really quick to take action. Some people still haven't taken action and that's okay, and I say that to say like this is also a reminder for all of you all listening that your students are the same way, like some people are quick buyers and some people need time to really be with you, and so any sort of long form content podcasts, youtube videos we've talked about this together Like that is the way that you can nurture those people who just need to get to know you a little bit more. I mean, I imagine you listening to that many episodes of my voice and I'm like holy moly, like that's a lot of me talking.
Speaker 1:You are so wise I'm sure you, like now, really feel like you understand. You felt really safe and understood what I was going to offer within the Business of Yoga program. So it's been a year you've been in the program. I'd love to hear your and, if you remember, I'd love to hear your initial thoughts upon joining, like first time. Logging in, going through the material, did anything surprise you, shock you? What did you love about the business of yoga program?
Speaker 2:so, as a, I love learning, so the thing that I like I literally just dove straight into the course and was like, right, cool, this is my hobby, this is what I, this is what I do when I have a minute and I I just went through the course from the end.
Speaker 2:There were a couple of things that took me a little bit longer and I, um, that were like um, workshop length, where I was like, yeah, right, I can't press play on that now, because if a baby wakes up, I don't want to be interrupted. So those things took me longer. But I was surprised right, I can't press play on that now, because if a baby wakes up, I don't want to be interrupted. So those things took me longer. But I was surprised that things were in such like bite-sized chunks. So, like, this video is 15 minutes, it's going to teach me what I need to know about this. And then and I know I can commit my time to that, because, as like a, like a mum chunks right, I have mum chunks of time, mom sized, and they were in mom chunks oh my God, I love that. Yeah, so that really worked for me. I love that I flew through the course. Sorry, carry on.
Speaker 1:No, I just joined a course not related to business, but I just joined the course for relationships last week and the first video is an hour and a half and, oh my god, I like do it in 15 minute intervals and it's great, like great content. But I think one of the things that I thought of when I have a degree in education, so I know that, like for you to understand what I'm saying and actually implement it, it does need to be in those little quick, bite size, very easy to understand, put into action videos. Keep going.
Speaker 2:I interrupted you but also, when I'm so, I go back to the course.
Speaker 2:So, based on what you've just said, when I go I go back to the course, like, whatever I'm doing, at some time like you go through cycles, don't you? So at some point I'm like, right at the moment I'm selling, and then if I've got um, a conversation where I know like, okay, this is a sales conversation, I know I have a, I know I have a module for that and like, because in a sales conversation for me, like it just needs to go well, it doesn't matter what the outcome of that conversation is. But I need to have walked away feeling like I've actually helped and it might be help someone say no and realize it's not for them, and it might be help someone make that next step that I can help them with. Yeah, but so I can. I can, in my phone on the app for the business of yoga, go, okay, sales conversation, how do I make? And it tells you this is how you make someone feel comfortable and at ease so that you actually can help them, for example. And I'm like cool, yeah, I'd forgotten that.
Speaker 1:I can do it Because it's in mum chunks, like I do it because it's in mum chunks like I couldn't do that if it was an hour long.
Speaker 2:In that, like I can look for exactly what I'm looking for right now.
Speaker 1:It's so yeah, it's, it's designed that way. And a lot of people ask me, like, can you do a a step-by-step of when I watch each video and walk me through the course? And my answer is always no, because of what you just said of. Everyone comes in at different points in their business, and some people come in and they need to learn the sales conversation. Some people come in they need to refine their offer, and so you have to use your mindset as a business owner to say what does my business need me to watch first and then go into the course that way and then go back to the course in that way. So you've been in the course in a year. I've watched you sell online classes. You teach, you taught. We drop some of your group. Your in-person classes, sell day retreats yeah and then from there sell teacher training.
Speaker 2:So tell us about the business that you're operating now, a year in yeah, it's a bit ridiculous really, as in like sorry, not in a bad way like, like, the difference is enormous, and you put it like that. So I had someone the other day say, oh my god, I really like. Oh, you're so entrepreneurial, like you just know what you're doing and I was like what I do, I do great. And I was like actually, yeah, I feel like I do like a little bit but you're constantly like going right, well, what am I working on now?
Speaker 2:but so, yeah, so a, and I was like, actually, yeah, I feel like I do, but you're constantly like going right, well, what am I working on now? But so, yeah, so a year ago I was and like, for all the time I've taught before that as well. So it was a year ago, but it was also the however many years before that, the same thing Teaching. If I taught, I would teach most mostly in gyms, because that felt like I had gone from the exercise did I did, was very fast pace, and to be in a gym environment, sort of, was like the closest thing I had to like a safety net, and because I'd always had an online practice.
Speaker 2:Honestly, yoga, yoga studios felt like quite an intimidating place for some reason. Um, so I went to the place that felt comfortable, because I was nervous when I was teaching. Yeah, um, and it's pounds and dollars, so hold on. So I would get 23 pounds to teach for 45 minutes, which, when I was in university and all my friends were on like nine pounds an hour. That felt quite good. And then you're like, oh, no, hold on.
Speaker 2:But if I was working for myself. That could be like a lot better, because you're you're teaching for that time but you're also driving there and back for that hour and you're also designing the class and you're also doing your marketing and you're selling and no hold on, I'm not, I'm not making. I'm making like three pound an hour. At this point by the time you've done all the other stuff, and so that's just not. You know, you hear like, oh, yoga should be free, but actually, like most yoga teachers, we aren't enlightened. We do need to put the heating on and eat. We don't have offerings turning up on our front doorstep, so like no, no, we need. We also need to like earn a living.
Speaker 1:If you do let us know, Contact us and tell us yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:Please tell me Tips needed. Still I'm not quite there. So, yeah, so that's where I was at. I was teaching as many times as I could fit into being around my kids. So everything I've done this year has been right.
Speaker 2:I'm a full time mum and I run a business, and so my however old my eldest is she's four and a half consciousness, um, and so my my however old my eldest is she's four and a half. Um, she is in preschool three days a week, but my two and a half year old is always with me if she's awake. Um, and then I work around that, unless my husband's not working. Um, and I haven't changed that because, amazing, it's sort of what I find sustainable at the moment. Um, that's what works for me. And so, yeah, I didn't think it was possible to not do what I was doing. And then I did the business of yoga, um, and I did. I don't think I made any changes to what I was doing until May. So for five months I did the course, I went to the coaching calls and sometimes I listened to them like on demand, because, um, here it's their their night time and my brain is not always the best in the evening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because you, because I'm a mum and that's not how how I work. Um, so, yeah, um. And then in May, I right, I guess I actually had better start doing like what she's telling me. And so I dropped a couple of classes at a gym I was at, which felt like I was like, ok, I'm earning enough that I can drop to and see what happens as a result. And so I used that that time from those two classes to start a class of my own. Um, and I was making.
Speaker 2:So I advertised for two weeks and I used Facebook, facebook groups and word of mouth and teaching for one hour instead of two hours. I was making like 10 pound an hour more than I had been teaching two classes at a gym. So like I doubled my income, yeah, more than that had been teaching two classes at a gym. So like I doubled my income, yeah, more than double by making that change. Yeah, more than double, yeah. And like, in the grand scheme of things, you know, at the time I was like, oh, yeah, but that's only one class. So like that's not a big, big difference. And then my husband who is more financially minded than I am, if I'm honest was like right, yes, that's once a week, though, and then you do that every week of the year. So now times that by a year and actually that's like a. It's like that if you get 1% better every day thing, then by the end of the year actually that's a big difference and it's the same thing, but with finance. So, yeah, that makes a big difference.
Speaker 2:And then I thought, okay, well, I mean, what else can I do? And I thought, okay, this felt brave because the class I did was actually a 12-week course, so I knew people were turning up every week, but also because I think for a lot of people, you go to A class okay, cool, that was nice, and then you maybe go back three weeks later and you don't notice any real change. So it worked for me in that I knew I could cover my hall fees and therefore I felt kind of like safe running it in that way, because it was my first time like trying it by myself. Um, but it also helped people because it made them turn it up and then they did the yoga and they felt the benefit of that yoga and they had an online class as well, so they could actually practice two times a week because, like, yoga isn't yoga is a daily practice, um, and but I was approaching, you know, people who hadn't done a great deal of yoga before and I think if you say to some people who who are coming to it for the first time, by the way, you have to do this every day, then that maybe that's a bit heavy and that's what worked for them two days, two times a week, felt approachable, and so that's how I ran that. So I knew, for 12 weeks, that was what was happening and that felt good.
Speaker 2:So, whilst that was happening, kind of in the background, at that point I was on a coaching call and I heard somebody else having coaching and you were I can't remember what she was she was about to go on holiday, but she wanted to, like, give something to her students before then and she was like you know, sorry. You were like okay, well, you want to spend a whole day with these people. You want to spend three days Like, what do you want this to look? Like? Like what, like, what do you think you have to give? Um, and from that conversation, essentially I was like oh, like I can just run a day retreat. Yeah, like I was kind of do you know, like that employee mindset, and then suddenly like okay, right, you're now employed and now these are the things that you're allowed to do, kind of, actually, I think we're still kicking around back there, and suddenly I had seen you tell someone else like no, no, like you work for yourself, you can just decide, you do that. Now, I mean, make sure you know what you're gonna do and you're actually gonna help people, right. But like yeah, no, you can just, you can just go do that, um. And so I suddenly I was like okay, well, I mean the day retreat that I think I would rock at leading.
Speaker 2:So in my um, my degree, my um, my sport and exercise science, one of the things I specialized in was, uh, or chose to like the. You know, like you get your optional modules. I did um, environmental extremes and environmental physiology, um, and then expedition physiology. So I did like um, I combined that with my yoga and I did um, oh, sorry, so that and that that includes also. So, like the physiology is like the nervous system and yeah, I, basically I pulled together the reset your nervous system with hiking, cold water swimming and yoga on an adventure day um to, to bring all that together, and it was brilliant. I did it three times because I just kept getting demand. Oh no, no, I can't come that day, but I really want to do this. Please, can you do another one? Yes, okay, cool and so.
Speaker 2:I ran three over the summer and you know what it was. It was amazing to get to know the people who, like, wanted this from me that I didn't realize, you know, like actually, by not doing that, there was something I could have been doing to help them more than.
Speaker 2:I had been, and I wasn't doing it, yeah, and I didn't know, because I didn't realize that I was capable of that, and actually, in realizing that, I was all like, yeah, I was, I was able to help them on a in a different way, on a different level, and that felt amazing to see that happening. And how they felt at the end of the day that that was um, it wasn't. I will definitely do it again because yeah, and so you got to really deeply serve them more than just a one-off class. Yeah, it was incredible. That's really cool.
Speaker 1:I just want to highlight, cause there's people listening. What you're speaking to is like because the employee mindset was so ingrained you hadn't even given yourself permission to dream about the ways that you could serve people or what you were really capable of and I think that's true for all of us so like we don't know what we're truly capable of at this moment in time. And so just starting to question what if I could do that, what if I could lead this? What if I could write a book, speak on stage, whatever the thing the next thing is, and then give yourself permission to go for it, not for your own ego, but because of the people who will be helped when you do. Because we can't help them unless we go test what we think we're capable of. I'm just going to say that again we can't help the people out there unless we test what we think we're capable of. Like that, my brain is like whoa so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just realizing I'm like smiling my head off and nodding, but nobody can see me. Yeah, I'm just realizing I'm like smiling my head off and nodding, but nobody can see me.
Speaker 1:I'm like holding my hands up saying, yeah, that was it. But that's so cool that you had that experience of like oh, I hadn't even thought of that.
Speaker 2:Amazing, yeah. But I think what's really important about that is that I had that experience from watching and listening to somebody else be coached Like that's what it wasn't even my coaching, to somebody else be coached like that's what it wasn't even my coaching, and yet I I turned into like, so July was the month I ran two day retreats in and so I had my normal classes, which was like maybe I was teaching six times a week. Um, at that point, I think no, 10 times a week. I don't know something like that who knows um.
Speaker 2:And then I ran two day retreats and I'm in the and I mean for the first time and I probably wasn't charging enough money for them, but I to me, I was so out of my like, my nervous system was all over the shop learning to sell and going through that um at the time, um and um. Yeah, I made the same amount in that month as I had when I was in a full-time job in an insurance company where I just like wanted to cry on a daily basis.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, it was pretty good. That's amazing, that was great, yeah, so thanks. So from watching somebody else's coaching, From watching someone else get coached.
Speaker 1:Now I think that's the testament to the power of group coaching. A lot of times we think we need the one-on-one support and it's really helpful to ask one-on-one questions and, watching someone else, they will ask questions that you don't even know to ask or they will bring up things that you don't know to bring up yet. But the key here I really want to like celebrate you is that you watched someone else's coaching and you used it because it's easy to watch someone else's coaching, like it's Netflix and it doesn't relate to you. But like for you to say, oh, I have an aha from this and I'm going to go make money from what this other person just said, like that is what it's intended for. So kudos to you for implementing that's all, that's all. Like you did that. That's amazing.
Speaker 2:Thank you. I mean, if Netflix had that group coaching on it, right, I would actually watch.
Speaker 1:Netflix.
Speaker 2:That would be great.
Speaker 1:So, from here, you did the retreats and then we started to talk about teacher training. I feel like it was a slow you can't see me, I'm like you know slow, dribble. Because you were hesitant, you knew you wanted to lead a teacher training, because you said you want to do it differently than how you experienced it. Talk me through the timeline of like deciding that the teacher training was like. When did it? When did it shift retreat to teacher training? So, yeah, so I was still.
Speaker 2:When was the last last retreat? So I was running the last retreat in September. Um, I think the so the teacher training. So I was also so the background of in my, in my classes that I'm running, or like teaching on a weekly basis, I had people asking me to teach them how to be a yoga teacher. Um, and you also teach us listen to your audience and yeah, and if you can help them with what they need, then help them. Which is like simple, but I did need to hear that in the back of my head. Yeah, so there's like little Jackie in my head saying you are, people are asking you for teacher training and you know that you can teach them teacher training you know that you can help them, so why are you not helping them?
Speaker 2:um. And so I think in there was some part of me going right hold on, if I do this, I want to do it. Well, I want to like, I want this to be exactly what it should be and more um. And I didn't want to like am I allowed to say ass? I didn't want to half-ass it. Um. So I also needed, like, the brain space, I needed the brain capacity and I needed like okay, hold on, are my kids sleeping? And like is like, am I? How well am I functioning? And have I kind of got everything else in my life going? Yes, yes, great. And that's not always the case, and I'm not saying it's perfect. Like they get colds and they wake up at five o'clock in the morning, and that would be fine, except that's when I work. So I get up at five to get stuff done.
Speaker 2:Before you know they wake up at seven, so that's a that, like that happens, but I just I wanted to not be breastfeeding anyone and not be like all the extra stuff and feel like a person who could sit and focus if that makes sense, it does to a mom.
Speaker 1:Every mom is like yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2:There you're. I get that good. Okay, it can be like a lonely journey being a mom. Sometimes you're like I'm the only person in the world who has to deal with this and you are not dealing with it in our homes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, oh, dear, especially introverted mums like uniting separately in their own homes. So, yeah, so anyway, sorry, tangent um. So yeah, I kind of had gone right. Okay, no, I think I'm, I think I'm there. I'd been putting it off for a long time going, I know I'm not. I can't give the amount of energy that I need to give to that to deliver it at the level that I. That is right, like that is just that, it just should be.
Speaker 2:And so I think I got to a point after a couple of day retreats when I was like I think I'm there, am I there? That, and there was kind of this, like maybe this, uh, a little bit of imposter syndrome going am I this, am I this bold? Have I got the right to lead a teacher training? Um, yeah, yeah, and, and like I do, I do, I do you do, um, yeah, there was still that voice which I, like you know, I think most of us, if not all of us, have, um, and so I had to get to that. And then there was the whole like oh, hold on, I'm still doing my 300 hour at the time, um, and do I need to have qualified or do I need to have finished writing the course before I start actually like talking to people about the course, um, and so I had all these other things going. Oh well, hold on, you know, I'll just finish the course first or just do this first. And then I think actually I heard you talking to someone. I feel like it might have been Marisa. Yeah, I think you were talking to Marisa and you were saying, like you don't, you don't have to finish the course, like you maybe have, you know, have done enough of the course that you like, or know enough of the course that you know what you're talking about so that you actually can go sell it or you can talk about it enough.
Speaker 2:But like, if you, if you write an entire 200 hour teacher training and then nobody buys it, you've spent a heck of a lot of time putting that together and then and then, and then it's not happening. So, yeah, so I started going, right, guys, I'm thinking about this, I'm going to start putting this together. Like, are you serious? Do you want to have a conversation about this? And those were not my words, just to be clear, but like to gauge, like, okay, well, like are people interested? You know, you've told me you've interested and I didn't prompt it and ask about it, so I'm assuming that that's accurate. But yeah, how accurate is that? And and people like oh, brilliant, finally, I hate my job, please help me. Is what someone said to me.
Speaker 2:I want to be a yoga teacher and I want you to teach me brilliant. When are you starting? I'd really like to do it after if, like, she had a timeline. So I was like, okay, right, yes, okay, I'll start start writing it. Um, and I started talking about it and yeah, right, and I had. I think I had 12 conversations and I had six people sign up, so I had 50% of people say yes and I wouldn't say I've nailed marketing online yet. So I'm selling specifically just to my audience that I have in person, um, but I feel like that's, that's going well and it's going so well.
Speaker 1:50 conversion rate, like you say it so casually, sorry, that is above average. That is amazing. Like I, I just want to really highlight that. Like to have 12 sales conversations and have six people say, yes, that's it, that's amazing.
Speaker 2:I feel like it it was, it was good, right, but um, I it felt very and I mean this is a compliment to the business of yoga, to the course you've made and run like it. It felt sort of very natural and clear. Oh my god, because the selling conversation like we use the word selling because everybody knows what you're talking about if you use the word selling. But actually I was talking to humans about something that they wanted that I could help them with. And for some people, now is not the right time because they have got, like you know, stuff happens and one person is growing a baby, for example, and I'm so excited for her and she's like, fully immersed in that journey and afterwards want to move on. And another person was like yes, because I know I'm going to have a baby soon and I want to have done this first, like, and for some people's, nervous systems.
Speaker 2:They're important for different reasons. Right, those different decisions, but all I was doing was helping those people make those decisions.
Speaker 1:I couldn't have like hoped that you said a better testimonial Like for what you just told me and told the audience is that selling felt natural.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well it does, it does.
Speaker 1:That's amazing.
Speaker 2:That means it worked? Yeah, for sure, and I did not feel like that a year ago. So that is partly because the course has helped me do it. It's partly because if something has not gone well, you know like not everything is going to go your way in life once a week, right, but having coaching, it has has been super valuable. Super valuable in managing my emotional reaction to selling.
Speaker 2:So I would say I'm not the I haven't historically been the best person at taking knocks like if something hasn't gone well, I've, like felt it in my bones gone. Oh my goodness, I didn't do, I didn't do that well enough, because I always want to, I always want to give my best and I always want to help someone as much as I can. And if it hasn't gone well, I've taken that very personally. Or if something, if I've tried to do something and I haven't succeeded, I've maybe I've taken that on and now I've sort of seen through the course. This is a more like logical approach to it. Okay, hold on, take the emotion out of it, because that's you focusing on you and not on other people.
Speaker 2:You say you want to help people, but you're thinking about how you feel and how about they feel. And actually this is what you've tried. You've tried one thing, so now take one part of that thing away, change it for something else and then see how that goes. This is an experiment. We're just curious and now see like, and so that that mindset was part of it, and then the other bit was okay.
Speaker 2:No, but I've had a wobble and this is what I'm thinking about and I and I needed and I want to talk that through with someone and I think I had a call with Kristen, your co-coach yeah, he's co-coach, if you don't know that um, in the business of yoga, and I'd had like, um, I'd had a no from someone about something they'd asked me for that I didn't even do, but I had been considering doing so. I was like, right, if I did this, this would have to be my price for price point, sorry, because I would need to be investing like a significant amount of time to move over here as well, and they didn't want what I had said. And then I was like emotional about it and this just didn't make any sense and I had like a 10 minute chat with Kristen and I was like, okay, cool, sorted, done, and now that is not taking up all this brain space and I can focus actually where I should be focusing my attention anyway, or what I want to focus my attention.
Speaker 2:So, that that is um, is a powerful combination.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's cool. Like what you're describing is your nervous system has increased in capacity to handle the fluctuations of business and the kind of mindset and energy that you're talking about. Like that's what I mean when I mean like the studio CEO, like or the old way of saying it was the yoga boss mindset of this objective, curious place that is rooted in service. That is how you can actually be sustainable. Like you make business sustainable in the long run. Otherwise it's going to be too much for your nervous system. Anybody would freak out. So, just like in our conversation today, you've shared that you went for making 23 pounds an hour and then, I think, is your teacher training for four figures. How much are you charging? If you don't mind me asking, how much am I charging?
Speaker 2:sorry, that was a bit random, how I did not know. Three grand, so in three in you in UK money, so so, okay, so 3,000 pounds right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 3,000 pounds. So from 23 pounds an hour for a class to to selling an offer, that's four figures, that's 3,000 pounds. Like that, one year is such a massive leap and that's such big growth for you. Do you mind sharing what you shared with me before we started recording about Christmas?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, okay. So so this time, well, just before, so it last December, beginning of last I was doing my Christmas shopping, um, and I remember being in a charity shop looking at a tiny wooden chair, thinking I don't have enough, I I don't feel like I've bought presents for my kids, because some of them need to be from Santa because we do Santa here, um, and some of them need to be from mum and dad, and like there's not enough to fill their stocking and like I just felt like a failure.
Speaker 2:And I know that it shouldn't all be about stuff, but when all their cousins are getting lots of presents under the tree, it would have felt a bit pants to not be doing that um, and it did and I, and I just wanted to cry, if I'm honest, um, and I found this tiny little wooden chair and it had somebody else's name engraved and had these awful like gender stereotypes on the top of the stool with like the roles that a woman can be, so it was like a hostess, nurse, um, baker they were, yeah, exactly like um, and I was like, okay, so part of me is furious that this evening exists.
Speaker 2:So I'm gonna take it home and I'm gonna fill in this engraving so the name isn't there, and I'm gonna paint over it and then it doesn't exist anymore. So, like I was just a bit I was having a foot stamp, you know, throwing my doll out the pram, um, but um, it felt important. But I was also kind of crying inside that I couldn't just buy something like that I knew they wanted. I was like, please be excited about this tiny chair. And she was excited about the tiny chair, but I wanted to be buying her. Like at the time I think it was magnet tiles or something that I was like that would help her development and I would feel like you know I was encouraging you know, like brain development or whatever I was thinking about at the time.
Speaker 2:And this year has been like, oh, cool, okay, this is this, it just. It just felt like I was. I was able to buy the things that I thought would help my kids develop, and they were presents, and to them they were exciting, but to me it was like I was able to make Christmas magical because I felt financially a lot safer than I did last year.
Speaker 1:Um so, yeah, that was enormous to me.
Speaker 1:Thank you for sharing, because I it's I teach so much about like doing it in service and doing it in service of your students, and the money that you make does good things and making money is a good thing to do, and like hearing that story is so such a great example of that.
Speaker 1:And I would say, for anyone listening, especially at the start of 2025, if you have money goals for your business this year, go ahead and sit down and write out what you will do for your family with that money or what you plan to do with it in order to save for your future. That way it really connects it and it makes it human, like we're not making money for money's sake, we're making money to make Christmas magical. It's such a beautiful reminder. Okay, the last question I want to ask you because I know we're at time is well, I want to. I want you to share about your teacher training and I want you to tell people bring it full circle what is different about your training than what you had and what do you offer to people? Give us a little behind the scenes, look okay.
Speaker 2:So I feel like, um, my teacher training is maybe where philosophy and movement science meet, I guess. So, like, I want the. Well, I'm bringing the like, the tradition, and what yoga is and what yoga should be, with the and. Here's the journal article, the peer-reviewed article, the scientific literature that supports this and actually and proves this is real. Or here is the um, here is the breakdown of how this part of the body works, and here, and and that this is, this is degree level science that I'm using to support this with it. Does that make sense? Um, so, because I think there are a lot of people and more and more people are going, studies have shown, and you're like, and it's become, and it's like it's a thing, and it's almost a joke at this point, but actually like it's nice to have confidence in what you're saying, right, and it's to teach from a place of.
Speaker 2:I have faith in this, I know this is true and I know that I can help you with this information because I believe in the stuff I'm telling you as a yoga teacher, you have to stand at the front of a room, in front of sometimes 20 plus people, um, and to be able to do that if you don't believe in what you're saying, yeah, I think is really hard and so yes, so to have to have faith in the information for me was a really big part of what needed to be in the teacher training and for some people, like they don't even know that science is part of it and they are there entirely for the tradition and the spirituality and for their own journey, their own learning, and they're not even planning to teach and there is no right or wrong reason to do a teacher training.
Speaker 2:Not, they're not even planning to teach and there is no right or wrong reason to do a teacher training. Um, I've done plenty of things. I've done plenty of courses, yeah, just because I love learning. But for the people who want to go out and and deliver to other people, and they do want to stand in front front of other people and help them, believing and and having the evidence to back up what you're saying, I think is is really important, particularly a time where, if you put something on social media, oh gosh. So this is. I remember putting something on social media and I'm going to cringe because I'm saying this to however many people listen to your podcast. So, on my teacher training there had been someone had said one of the teachers had that you could, uh, warrior two, the warrior two pose.
Speaker 2:Um, sorry, composed myself warrior two as a pose can prevent testicular cancer. That one pose can like oh, can can change and right and so and I just thought honestly, I was like, well, this is a course and it's got a certificate and it's a proper course, so it must be true. So it must be true. Yeah, and that was that was genuinely because I was like because personally I would never be doing, I would never be saying that on a course if I didn't know it was true. Right, right and anyway, yeah, it was all about oxygen, apparently. Yeah, preventative medicine yeah, except that's not true.
Speaker 2:And I put that on Instagram as, like a very newbie trainer, fresh out of teacher training, and my husband's family love them, are very, very scientific people.
Speaker 2:I would say, like my father-in-law is a doctor and my mother-in-law is a nurse, my brother-in-law is a dentist, like they're very and my husband is is a science, science person of the natural world, um and so, and so they thought this was absolutely hilarious and I'm sure none of them even remember this, but it was on their like family whatsapp group. Oh, no, like taking them out of my husband, who was my boyfriend at the time, because I had put this on social media and I was like, oh my god, like I didn't even stop for a second to question whether that was true. Yeah, because, like some, you know a lot, yoga has been handed down teacher to teacher. Right, that's part, that's part of the, the history and the evolution of it. But, like, that was a, that was a bold claim and I just like I just I just trusted that that was true and it and it and it's not there. I have have done the search just to double check.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, yeah, and that was such a really embarrassing to me it's a really big conversation because I've said stuff as a teacher. I remember like we were taught that chair twist any twist is going to detox your body and I. It's a really big conversation because I've said stuff as a teacher. I remember we were taught that chair twists any twist is going to detox your body and I think it's a really common cue that you hear teachers do and I think we're getting more knowledgeable now. But what I hear from you is like your teacher training is really helping create confident teachers because what they're doing is backed by science and they'll have that science to say like this is what is actually true. So they don't make the same mistakes that we make and say really embarrassing things and things that aren't true and it's all with good intention, right, like I'm going to tell me this, so I believe them.
Speaker 2:Someone told me this. I believe them and I thought it would help people and like, there's a certain point, point where if and if you're the type of person, like, if you're a yoga teacher, the chances are it's because you, you want to do some good um and if you want to be a yoga teacher, again, the chances are it's because you want to help people, um, in a way that you think is helpful, and if you have information that could help someone stop getting cancer.
Speaker 2:Jackie, yeah, yeah, you want to tell people, you would post that on Instagram, right, yeah, oh, my God, the rest of the world doesn't know this. Like quick we found the cure.
Speaker 1:Warrior 2.
Speaker 2:Everybody in Warrior 2 right now and so like, oh my goodness, yeah and so yeah.
Speaker 1:I love that story.
Speaker 2:I want.
Speaker 2:I just I don't want anybody else to ever have that experience, I guess.
Speaker 2:But the other side of the teacher training that I did 15 of us started and five of us finished because they felt like um, like emotionally destroyed by the teacher training, oh no, it was not a good place to be.
Speaker 2:Oh, um, I've done a 200 hour three times as a fact about me, because I've done an online because I was like, oh, I don't believe anything that they said, um, and so I have done it again online and I haven't like done all the exams and stuff three times because I don't need to and that'd be a waste of someone else's time, frankly. But, um, but I've done in like different styles to learn, because it's fun, but still anyway, and yeah, and I think the thing that I've really like, I want it to be like right, different people learn in different ways, so you're not draining yourself from like a. I've been working, I've been doing all this and I'm still, I'm still going, but like I'm I'm tearing myself apart trying to finish this teacher training because it's draining life out of me. So I want it to be like a.
Speaker 2:There are mum chunks available for the online parts right, yeah um, so that you can actually do it, um, but also the whole. These are the bits that you can do, that can support you as a teacher, and I think that's becoming more and more common in I'm seeing that I don't know if that's always been the case, but the ones that I'm seeing online, because I look a lot, because I like learning and I'm seeing more and more. It is really important to support yourself as a teacher because because actually, like, burnout can be common or like, so this is how to look after yourself, so that you can go and look after other people, so that you can serve other people and the that age old, you can't pour from an empty cup is true, and so, yeah, so there's.
Speaker 2:So the I'm doing, the one I'm doing at the moment, is hybrid, and we have five in-person dates, and those the places that I've chosen to teach are all in places where we can go for a walk at lunchtime or we can have, in one of the places we're having, afternoon tea, because it's just like, let's just have it, let's just like I've. I want this to feel like, uh, you've done this and this is a gift to yourself. Um, you, you've put your, put yourself like in this situation, yeah, and you're gonna feel better as a result, as well as be a yoga teacher at the end of it, if that's why you've taken the course.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, so beautiful yoga teacher training is a gift to yourself yeah, for sure, like it's the ultimate self-care really is it not like what it is?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's the best. It is a gift. I should have sold it for Christmas, really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah oh my god, I love it. Okay, so tell people where they can find you, how they can connect with you, and we'll link this in the show notes too thank you, okay, um, so I am not sure.
Speaker 2:I've just changed my name on Instagram, right it's?
Speaker 2:um well, it was hey yoga mama, but I'd had to spell it funny to get it, and so it's now hey yoga mama, official, so that I could spell it in the right way. Amazing, so so that you don't mistype it. Um, so it's hey yoga mama, all one word. Um. Official on Instagram. I think it's the same on YouTube. So the long form content that Jackie was talking about earlier I am moving into. I have a few few classes up already. Um, for people to try my style, because I'm. The other thing that I need to respond to at some point is that I'm being asked for an online studio a lot at the moment. Um, most of my energy is going into making sure that I deliver the teacher training that I that I know I can deliver right now um, and then that's what I'm moving on to.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, youtube and Instagram um, if you've listened to this, it'd be really nice to to hear from you and make more friends with your teachers, to be honest, so just put me a message and say hi, it'd be lovely to chat oh, I love that.
Speaker 1:thank you so much, tabby, for being here and telling your story and sharing all of the wisdom, and I can't wait to see where you are in another year.
Speaker 2:Thank you, yeah, me too. How exciting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, All right, everyone. We will talk to you in the next episode. Thank you all.